Comments on: OBC Edu Reservations (minus creamy layer) to stay : SC (4:1) http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/ Lex lata and some Lex ferenda Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:23:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: maikee http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-13100 maikee Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:22:14 +0000 http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-13100 you have great writting skills, no wonders, i will add you to my blogroll. Best of luck! you have great writting skills, no wonders, i will add you to my blogroll. Best of luck!

]]> By: aniket http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-8007 aniket Wed, 08 Apr 2009 11:54:10 +0000 http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-8007 OBC reservation can only be implemented after incresing the seats and without decreasing the existing seats of open category. OBC reservation can only be implemented after incresing the seats and without decreasing the existing seats of open category.

]]> By: Krish Karthik http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4494 Krish Karthik Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:39:27 +0000 http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4494 The exclusion of creamy layer should not be construed as 'really excluding those who are otherwise undeserving of quota'. It is next to impossible to implement this. We would only depend on certificates and a person who is prepared to spend Rs.5 lakh for a leaked question paper of IIM will manage to get atleast 20 different certificates for one tenth of that amount. The veracity of the declaration can never be effectively monitored. Among those availing the SC/ST quota now, many are ineligible being converts to Christianity, and for every SC/ST employee/officer in our PSUs there are two anonymous complaints about misrepresentation of caste. Who would investigate such claims; if it is the Police under the control of our politicians, what result can you expect. The exclusion of creamy layer will be just on paper. In the absence of a fully computerised data on every citizen as in the West, this is well nigh impossible to implement. The exclusion of creamy layer should not be construed as ‘really excluding those who are otherwise undeserving of quota’. It is next to impossible to implement this. We would only depend on certificates and a person who is prepared to spend Rs.5 lakh for a leaked question paper of IIM will manage to get atleast 20 different certificates for one tenth of that amount. The veracity of the declaration can never be effectively monitored. Among those availing the SC/ST quota now, many are ineligible being converts to Christianity, and for every SC/ST employee/officer in our PSUs there are two anonymous complaints about misrepresentation of caste. Who would investigate such claims; if it is the Police under the control of our politicians, what result can you expect. The exclusion of creamy layer will be just on paper. In the absence of a fully computerised data on every citizen as in the West, this is well nigh impossible to implement.

]]> By: Strict scrutiny « Reality Check India http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4482 Strict scrutiny « Reality Check India Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:53:41 +0000 http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4482 [...] legal minds at Lex and Law And Other Things can share their analysis on the whole [...] [...] legal minds at Lex and Law And Other Things can share their analysis on the whole [...]

]]> By: V A THEVAR http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4452 V A THEVAR Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:17:40 +0000 http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4452 A GOOD MOVE IN A RIGHT DIRECTON TO UPLIFT CBC STUDENTS IN SOCIETY LIKE OURS IN INDIA WELL DONE KEEP IT UP ER.V A THEVAR MCPO-TECH 82B,2ND STREET,KRISHNA NAGAR CHENNAI.600095 A GOOD MOVE IN A RIGHT DIRECTON TO UPLIFT CBC STUDENTS IN SOCIETY LIKE OURS IN INDIA

WELL DONE KEEP IT UP

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]]> By: Ravindra http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4451 Ravindra Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:02:22 +0000 http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4451 >>The silver lining in this verdict is the scope for review every 5 years Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Dr. Ambedkar had proposed the original reservations for a period of just 10 years, without providing for any review. Despite this, our "socially conscious" politicians have had no scruples in perpetuating/ aggravating this malady for their own politically selfish ends. >>The silver lining in this verdict is the scope for review every 5 years

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Dr. Ambedkar had proposed the original reservations for a period of just 10 years, without providing for any review. Despite this, our “socially conscious” politicians have had no scruples in perpetuating/ aggravating this malady for their own politically selfish ends.

]]> By: Supreme Court Okays OBC Quotas : Retributions http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4445 Supreme Court Okays OBC Quotas : Retributions Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:46:04 +0000 http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4445 [...] readings: Lex, Offstumped, Reality [...] [...] readings: Lex, Offstumped, Reality [...]

]]> By: rc http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4443 rc Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:06:26 +0000 http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4443 Praada, >> rc - how does the data help to decipher this. you mean to say the guy at traffic signal should take a jump to the professional education to get rid of his miseries ? >> Let us say that the guy at the traffic signal selling cigarettes is from Caste X, which is classified as OBC. Catch is there are also Caste Y and Caste Z along with X. Without any data on the relative abilities of these three castes - how can you monitor the effectiveness of the quota to the entire group ? It is entirely possible that a mutant caste Z will completely overwhelm the entire group. Yes, we need disaggregation, because that is the nature of the beast. OBC quota is a group quota. If caste is a reality, then caste X, Y, Z are also realities. Reservation is not just for IITs. The same mechanism and the same data is required for the entire policy. The guy at the traffic light can atleast pull himself up by getting a job as a traffic policeman. If you want a real world example of caste X,Y,Z let me know. There are thousands of really backward left high and dry due to the lack of data/monitoring. I have about 150+ posts on the subject of data on my blog. Praada,

>> rc - how does the data help to decipher this.
you mean to say the guy at traffic signal should take a jump to the professional education to get rid of his miseries ? >>

Let us say that the guy at the traffic signal selling cigarettes is from Caste X, which is classified as OBC. Catch is there are also Caste Y and Caste Z along with X.

Without any data on the relative abilities of these three castes - how can you monitor the effectiveness of the quota to the entire group ? It is entirely possible that a mutant caste Z will completely overwhelm the entire group. Yes, we need disaggregation, because that is the nature of the beast. OBC quota is a group quota.

If caste is a reality, then caste X, Y, Z are also realities.

Reservation is not just for IITs. The same mechanism and the same data is required for the entire policy. The guy at the traffic light can atleast pull himself up by getting a job as a traffic policeman.

If you want a real world example of caste X,Y,Z let me know. There are thousands of really backward left high and dry due to the lack of data/monitoring.

I have about 150+ posts on the subject of data on my blog.

]]> By: » SC Verdict on OBC Reservations - Battle drawn War to be won - Blogger News Network http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4442 » SC Verdict on OBC Reservations - Battle drawn War to be won - Blogger News Network Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:49:38 +0000 http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4442 [...] - Battle drawn War to be won Posted on April 10th, 2008 by yossarin in India News Read 1 times. Ninad and Nitin have written pieces on the verdict itself. Offstumped focuses this post on the larger War [...] [...] - Battle drawn War to be won Posted on April 10th, 2008 by yossarin in India News Read 1 times. Ninad and Nitin have written pieces on the verdict itself. Offstumped focuses this post on the larger War [...]

]]> By: » SC Verdict on OBC Reservations - Battle drawn War yet to be won | Offstumped http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4441 » SC Verdict on OBC Reservations - Battle drawn War yet to be won | Offstumped Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:43:16 +0000 http://lex.nationalinterest.in/2008/04/10/obc-edu-reservations-minus-creamy-layer-to-stay-sc-41/#comment-4441 [...] Ninad and Nitin have written pieces on the verdict itself. Offstumped focuses this post on the larger War on Social Justice. [...] [...] Ninad and Nitin have written pieces on the verdict itself. Offstumped focuses this post on the larger War on Social Justice. [...]

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